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[I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #286738] So, 11 Juni 2006 23:17
Stacie Hanes  
Okay, requesting brainstorming help. The IAFA people need to put together a
general call for papers for that gender & sexuality conference next March.

Naturally, I have to contribute idea for my division for the general CfP.

I have:

Illustrations, Anime, Dance, Body Art , Sculpture, Music, Theater,
Photography, and Graphic Novels.

manga, movies....

The other divisions are Fantastic Literature in English, Horror Literature,
International Fantastic Literatures, Science Fiction Literature, The
Fantastic in Visual & Performing Arts [1], Communities & Culture in the
Fantastic, The Fantastic in Film and Media, & The Fantastic in Children's &
Young Adult Literature & Art.

There are significant overlapping areas, IMO. Movies are always visual and
performative in some way, although it would depend on the emphasis; cosplay
and fan art are V&PA, in my opinion, and the YA division seems to have an
art annex.

You guys got ideas?


--
4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse, AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons,
Bondage-happy predator, Speaker-To-Students,
SadoMangoist, AFPMistress to peachy, 8'FED's AFPDeliciousSnack, AFPFiance to
A. Nevill , Graycat's Guttersnipe
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #286813 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 01:15
Eric Jarvis  
Anastasia house_damodred [at] yahoo.com wrote in
<uL%ig.11875$921.3594 [at] newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
>
> You guys got ideas?
>

Loads. I can think off hand of three people who have produced dance and
theatre pieces that might be relevant and who might be willing to put
together a paper.

Contemporary dance in Europe often has a strong element of the fantastic
in it. Sort of inevitable in an art form that tries to be abstract and
spectacular. Both Lloyd Newsome and Lea Anderson have done a lot of work
looking at gender roles and sexual identity in dance pieces, though I
can't offhand think of pieces they've done that are definitely fantasy.
However I've by no means seen everything they've done. What might work
with dance is looking at metaphors for gender and sexuality. Though I have
to warn you that the best piece I've seen along those lines was one by
Joelle Taylor that used spiders as a metaphor for various aspects of
female sexuality.

Theatre tends to be more based on the mundane. However John Tordoff's
production of Reynard The Fox (featuring a pre Withnail Richard E Grant)
was along appropriate lines, since then I've also seen Lawrence's The Fox
done on stage. Again it's a metaphor for sexuality.

Of course both vampires and werewolves are often symbolic of sexuality
too, and they crop up often enough across the spectrum to be worth doing a
paper or ten about. It may be also worth looking at how gender and
sexuality have been represented by fantastic/supernatural metaphors in
dance and theatre over time. What has changed since Sophocles and what is
still the same?

Does that help? I could go on for hours if I wasn't falling asleep. :)

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #286816 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 02:21
Stacie Hanes  
Eric Jarvis wrote:
> Anastasia house_damodred [at] yahoo.com wrote in
> <uL%ig.11875$921.3594 [at] newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
>>
>> You guys got ideas?
>>
>
> Loads. I can think off hand of three people who have produced dance
> and theatre pieces that might be relevant and who might be willing
> to put together a paper.

<snip>

>
> Does that help? I could go on for hours if I wasn't falling asleep.
> :)

Yes, muchly. Even better if you could make it into list form and e-mail it
to me.

Anything I can't use, I'll forward to other Division Heads, but my personal
worry is having enough papers for MY division.

Quoting the Vice-President in charge of programming:

"one way to think about Visual and Performing Arts is that your papers
should be focussed on technique rather than theme: so a paper on the plot of
Blade Runner would go to Susan in Film & Media; on the reception of the
movie or its fandom, to Barb in Communities & Culture; but if on the special
effects it would go to you."

I know some of this list is a repeat, but it's a work in progress, so I'm
not sure what has been mentioned and what hasn't:

Illustrations & relationship to text



Anime (specific aspects)



Cosplay (costume technique)



Dance (what other performing arts am I missing?)



Body Art (okay, there were a couple of tattoo/piercing papers at the last
conference--are there works where body modification is important?)



Sculpture (damfino, anyone know of sf sculptures? gotta be some, with the
millenium stuff...)



Music (star wars score? Danny Elfman, composer to the weird set?)



Theater



Photography



Graphic Novels.


manga



Scenery



special effects in movies and television



visual design in video games



multi-modal compositions


The last is of special interest. Multimodal is the new buzzword in writing
programs, and it means, well, text+pictures+sound+whatever you can get into
the cohesive work. It pains me to say it, but PowerPoint slideshows are
multimodal (done right, anyway). I was thinking about that puzzle game
online that had the Death short-short story....

Keep it coming...anyone who's of serious help gets a beer on me at the Con,
for sure. Um. In the sense of me buying you one to drink, that is. Or my
sincere thanks if you're not making it to the con.

--
4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse, AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons,
Bondage-happy predator, Speaker-To-Students, SadoMangoist,
AFPMistress to peachy, 8'FED's AFPDeliciousSnack, AFPFiance to A.
Nevill , Graycat's Guttersnipe
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #286841 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 03:35
Eric Jarvis  
Anastasia house_damodred [at] yahoo.com wrote in
<ts2jg.4600$lf4.1494 [at] newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
>
> Body Art (okay, there were a couple of tattoo/piercing papers at the last
> conference--are there works where body modification is important?)
>

Google for Stelarc.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #286848 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 04:32
Stacie Hanes  
Eric Jarvis wrote:
> Anastasia house_damodred [at] yahoo.com wrote in
> <ts2jg.4600$lf4.1494 [at] newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
>>
>> Body Art (okay, there were a couple of tattoo/piercing papers at
>> the last conference--are there works where body modification is
>> important?)
>>
>
> Google for Stelarc.

Will do. I have a more coherent document now, do you have a preferred e-mail
and can you open Word docs?
--
4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse, AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons,
Bondage-happy predator, Speaker-To-Students, SadoMangoist,
AFPMistress to peachy, 8'FED's AFPDeliciousSnack, AFPFiance to A.
Nevill , Graycat's Guttersnipe
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #286854 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 04:44
Brenda  
Anastasia said:

> [...] can you open Word docs?

Anastasia->kudos *= 2.0; /* for asking the question */

I wish my email correspondents realised that not everybody's universe
revolves around Microsoft. (Some do, some do... but others don't!)

One person of my acquaintance recently sent a group email and asked people
to mark up their responses in different colours! I was tempted to respond
with [I want you to imagine that everything from here on is green until I
tell you otherwise] followed eventually by [you can stop imagining now].

Unfortunately, they simply would not have understood what I was talking
about, and would not have been particularly interested in hearing the
explanation - so I decided not to respond at all.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #286876 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 06:03
geminii  
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:35:55 +0100, Eric Jarvis <eric [at] ericjarvis.co.uk>
wrote:

>Anastasia house_damodred [at] yahoo.com wrote in
><ts2jg.4600$lf4.1494 [at] newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
>>
>> Body Art (okay, there were a couple of tattoo/piercing papers at the last
>> conference--are there works where body modification is important?)
>>
>
>Google for Stelarc.

Stelarc's done some interesting work, although it seems a bit tame. Needs
more Doctor Octopus and less "I've wired my leg up to a bulletin board".


-SteveD
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #286900 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 09:53
Torak  
Richard Heathfield wrote:
> Anastasia said:
>
>>[...] can you open Word docs?
>
> Anastasia->kudos *= 2.0; /* for asking the question */
>
> I wish my email correspondents realised that not everybody's universe
> revolves around Microsoft. (Some do, some do... but others don't!)
>
> One person of my acquaintance recently sent a group email and asked people
> to mark up their responses in different colours! I was tempted to respond
> with [I want you to imagine that everything from here on is green until I
> tell you otherwise] followed eventually by [you can stop imagining now].
>
> Unfortunately, they simply would not have understood what I was talking
> about, and would not have been particularly interested in hearing the
> explanation - so I decided not to respond at all.

I use OpenOffice a fair bit (though Word mostly, it must be said), but
when I'm sending files to people I send them as PDF. Makes life easier.
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #286905 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 10:01
Brenda  
Torak said:

> I use OpenOffice a fair bit (though Word mostly, it must be said), but
> when I'm sending files to people I send them as PDF. Makes life easier.

Don't, please please don't, just *don't* get me started on PDF. For one
thing, they're a right nuisance to edit.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #286906 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 10:02
Torak  
Richard Heathfield wrote:
> Torak said:
>
>
>>I use OpenOffice a fair bit (though Word mostly, it must be said), but
>>when I'm sending files to people I send them as PDF. Makes life easier.
>
>
> Don't, please please don't, just *don't* get me started on PDF. For one
> thing, they're a right nuisance to edit.

This is true. But I don't use them when I need things edited, just when
I'm sending things to people for reading.

The question is, of course, what to use if both PDF and DOC are out of
the equation. Not a problem for me, of course, because everyone I send
things to has either Word or OpenOffice, but for other people.
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #286907 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 10:10
Brenda  
Torak said:

> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> Torak said:
>>
>>
>>>I use OpenOffice a fair bit (though Word mostly, it must be said), but
>>>when I'm sending files to people I send them as PDF. Makes life easier.
>>
>>
>> Don't, please please don't, just *don't* get me started on PDF. For one
>> thing, they're a right nuisance to edit.
>
> This is true. But I don't use them when I need things edited, just when
> I'm sending things to people for reading.
>
> The question is, of course, what to use if both PDF and DOC are out of
> the equation. Not a problem for me, of course, because everyone I send
> things to has either Word or OpenOffice, but for other people.

My preferred medium is text files for text and text files for pictures, but
I'll live with JPG or PNG if I think the receiver is not sufficiently
techie to handle XPM images. I'm okay with structured text (LaTeX, HTML,
whatever) - just so long as the actual message is readable in a text
editor. And that's for the excellent reason that, if I can read it in a
text editor, I can at least in theory cut code to edit it instead if I
wish, without having to go to what are, for this 'ere lazy programmer,
inordinate lengths (such as reverse-engineering PDFs or looking up the spec
or something equally bizarre).

Same goes for XPM, since it's a text format. (And yes, I have written
XPM-editing code.)

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [I] Document formats (was: VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy) [message #286910 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 10:20
Orjan Westin  
Torak wrote:
>
> The question is, of course, what to use if both PDF and DOC are out of
> the equation. Not a problem for me, of course, because everyone I send
> things to has either Word or OpenOffice, but for other people.

Text files.

Minimal HTML if you need headers, tables and lists.

RTF if you are dead set on having your layout (more or less) come
through.

I cleaned up a lot of old floppy discs recently, and found the Microsoft
RTF specification disc. I think I ordered that in 1992, and it still
worked. That's not too bad, I think. Makes me hope my old C64 and
Amiga discs might still work.

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #286916 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 10:12
Eric Jarvis  
Anastasia house_damodred [at] yahoo.com wrote in
<bn4jg.4780$o4.2526 [at] newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
> Eric Jarvis wrote:
> > Anastasia house_damodred [at] yahoo.com wrote in
> > <ts2jg.4600$lf4.1494 [at] newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
> >>
> >> Body Art (okay, there were a couple of tattoo/piercing papers at
> >> the last conference--are there works where body modification is
> >> important?)
> >>
> >
> > Google for Stelarc.
>
> Will do. I have a more coherent document now, do you have a preferred e-mail
> and can you open Word docs?
>

Fascinating chap Stelarc, he's possibly worth a conference all of his own.

The reply to address should currently be OK, and I can open Word Docs.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"in the beginning was the word, and the word was
'try switching the damn thing on first'"
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #286917 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 10:15
Eric Jarvis  
geminii [at] tpg.com.au geminii [at] tpg.com.au wrote in
<9npp82d16v7sih5lti2okkc0ms7mblu5ia [at] 4ax.com>:
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:35:55 +0100, Eric Jarvis <eric [at] ericjarvis.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >Anastasia house_damodred [at] yahoo.com wrote in
> ><ts2jg.4600$lf4.1494 [at] newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
> >>
> >> Body Art (okay, there were a couple of tattoo/piercing papers at the last
> >> conference--are there works where body modification is important?)
> >
> >Google for Stelarc.
>
> Stelarc's done some interesting work, although it seems a bit tame. Needs
> more Doctor Octopus and less "I've wired my leg up to a bulletin board".
>

Like a lot of performance art, at least 75% of it is down to Stelarc
himself. He's a superb performer even though it's not always easy to tell
what's him, what's performance, and what's robotic prosthetics.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #286918 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 10:17
Eric Jarvis  
Torak perry_awm [at] hotmail.com wrote in <Wc9jg.2020$YI3.1458 [at] amstwist00>:
> Richard Heathfield wrote:
> > Torak said:
> >
> >
> >>I use OpenOffice a fair bit (though Word mostly, it must be said), but
> >>when I'm sending files to people I send them as PDF. Makes life easier.
> >
> >
> > Don't, please please don't, just *don't* get me started on PDF. For one
> > thing, they're a right nuisance to edit.
>
> This is true. But I don't use them when I need things edited, just when
> I'm sending things to people for reading.
>
> The question is, of course, what to use if both PDF and DOC are out of
> the equation. Not a problem for me, of course, because everyone I send
> things to has either Word or OpenOffice, but for other people.
>

Plain text files have a lot going for them.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #286920 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 11:16
Pudde Fjord  
Anastasia wrote:

>
> Sculpture (damfino, anyone know of sf sculptures? gotta be some, with the
> millenium stuff...)
>

It depend a little on the scale you're looking at. There's a *lot* of
figurines based on SF/Fantasy in the games area.

Also a lot of figures and busts based on Manga, Anime and Comics.
There's a special section in the monthly "Previews" catalog for this
only. Some of these are quite big and pricy. Materials vary.

Pudde.
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #286927 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 12:19
Torak  
Eric Jarvis wrote:
> Torak perry_awm [at] hotmail.com wrote in <Wc9jg.2020$YI3.1458 [at] amstwist00>:
>
>>Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>
>>>Torak said:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I use OpenOffice a fair bit (though Word mostly, it must be said), but
>>>>when I'm sending files to people I send them as PDF. Makes life easier.
>>>
>>>
>>>Don't, please please don't, just *don't* get me started on PDF. For one
>>>thing, they're a right nuisance to edit.
>>
>>This is true. But I don't use them when I need things edited, just when
>>I'm sending things to people for reading.
>>
>>The question is, of course, what to use if both PDF and DOC are out of
>>the equation. Not a problem for me, of course, because everyone I send
>>things to has either Word or OpenOffice, but for other people.
>>
>
>
> Plain text files have a lot going for them.

Doesn't work so well for Final Draft scripts. Or spreadsheets (all
right, different field, but still MS Office). Or things with comments
you want to preserve.
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #286949 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 14:15
Brenda  
Torak said:

> Eric Jarvis wrote:
>>
>> Plain text files have a lot going for them.
>
> Doesn't work so well for Final Draft scripts.

Before you make up your mind too firmly on that, take a look at this:

http://www.cpax.org.uk/scratch/latexdemo.png

Here is the text file I used to generate it (except that I've munged my
email address):

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{times}

\begin{document}

\title{It isn't so hard to get camera-ready copy into a text file}
\author{Richard Heathfield\\
\texttt{nospam [at] nospam.whatever.uk.invalid}}
\date{\today} %\today is replaced with the current date
\maketitle

\begin{abstract}
As I hope you will soon see, text files are a bit more flexible than
you might have given them credit for.
\end{abstract}

\section{Introduction}
Normal text is easy to add, and you don't have to worry
very much about the format of the document. \LaTeX{} can
handle that for you.

\section{Fancy tricks}
\[ \frac{\partial u}{\partial t}
= h^2 \left( \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x^2}
+ \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial y^2}
+ \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial z^2} \right) \]

\section{Tables}
%Tables can get very complicated in \LaTeX{} - but only
% if you want them to. Here is a very simple table.
\begin{center}
\begin{tabular}{| r | l |}
\hline % Print horizontal line
Title & Author \\ \hline
\emph{The Colour of Magic} & Terry Pratchett \\
\emph{The Light Fantastic} & Terry Pratchett \\
\emph{Equal Rites} & Terry Pratchett \\
\hline
\end{tabular}
\end{center}

\end{document}

To produce the camera-ready image, I simply did this:

latex latexdemo.txt # this produces latexdemo.dvi
dvips latexdemo.dvi # this produces latexdemo.ps

http://www.cpax.org.uk/scratch/latexdemo.ps is the result, and it takes just
a second or two to produce it from the text file.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #286956 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 14:48
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Anastasia wrote:

> multi-modal compositions
>
> The last is of special interest. Multimodal is the new buzzword in writing
> programs, and it means, well, text+pictures+sound+whatever you can get into
> the cohesive work. It pains me to say it, but PowerPoint slideshows are
> multimodal (done right, anyway).

So in other words, it's basically another attempt to fill the void
left behind after the word "multimedia" was corrupted through
overzealous use by advertisers.

I wonder how long this one will last.

Adrian.
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #287003 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 17:21
Philippa Cowderoy  
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Anastasia wrote:

> The last is of special interest. Multimodal is the new buzzword in writing
> programs, and it means, well, text+pictures+sound+whatever you can get into
> the cohesive work.

How does it differ from the older term multimedia?

--
flippa [at] flippac.org

Ivanova is always right.
I will listen to Ivanova.
I will not ignore Ivanova's recomendations.
Ivanova is God.
And, if this ever happens again, Ivanova will personally rip your lungs out!
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #287004 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 17:34
Stacie Hanes  
Eric Jarvis wrote:
>
> Plain text files have a lot going for them.

Yes.

But could I rehijack my own thread? I'd love ideas from the general
afpopulation, but Eric seemed into it, so I was going to e-mail him the
document.

If you guys want to discuss file types, just change the subject line, okay?
:-)

--
4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse, AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons,
Bondage-happy predator, Speaker-To-Students, SadoMangoist,
AFPMistress to peachy, 8'FED's AFPDeliciousSnack, AFPFiance to A.
Nevill , Graycat's Guttersnipe
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #287005 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 17:36
Stacie Hanes  
Philippa Cowderoy wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Anastasia wrote:
>
>> The last is of special interest. Multimodal is the new buzzword in
>> writing programs, and it means, well, text+pictures+sound+whatever
>> you can get into the cohesive work.
>
> How does it differ from the older term multimedia?

Excellent question.

--
4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse, AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons,
Bondage-happy predator, Speaker-To-Students, SadoMangoist,
AFPMistress to peachy, 8'FED's AFPDeliciousSnack, AFPFiance to A.
Nevill , Graycat's Guttersnipe
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #287006 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 17:43
Brenda  
Philippa Cowderoy said:

> On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Anastasia wrote:
>
>> The last is of special interest. Multimodal is the new buzzword in
>> writing programs, and it means, well, text+pictures+sound+whatever you
>> can get into the cohesive work.
>
> How does it differ from the older term multimedia?

It's newer. "Multimedia" is /so/ 1990s.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #287040 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 18:54
Torak  
Richard Heathfield wrote:
> Torak said:
>>Eric Jarvis wrote:
>>
>>>Plain text files have a lot going for them.
>>
>>Doesn't work so well for Final Draft scripts.
>
> Before you make up your mind too firmly on that, take a look at this:
>
> http://www.cpax.org.uk/scratch/latexdemo.png
>
> Here is the text file I used to generate it (except that I've munged my
> email address):
<snip code>

You know, that's rather impressive. I haven't a clue what the code
means, but if there's any way to output it with, say, a virtual print
driver that would definitely be an option.

If you send me an email I'll send you a short script file in Final Draft
format and PDF, if you want to see how it would work.
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #287043 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 18:56
Torak  
Anastasia wrote:
> Philippa Cowderoy wrote:
>>On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Anastasia wrote:
>>
>>>The last is of special interest. Multimodal is the new buzzword in
>>>writing programs, and it means, well, text+pictures+sound+whatever
>>>you can get into the cohesive work.
>>
>>How does it differ from the older term multimedia?
>
> Excellent question.

Unlike "multimedia", "multimodal" doesn't mean "random cheap website
with irritating MIDI plonking in the background and so named because a
random marketing exec has the IQ of a small, drunk cucumber".
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #287047 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 19:01
Brenda  
Torak said:

> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>
>> http://www.cpax.org.uk/scratch/latexdemo.png
>>
>> Here is the text file I used to generate it (except that I've munged my
>> email address):
> <snip code>
>
> You know, that's rather impressive. I haven't a clue what the code
> means, but if there's any way to output it with, say, a virtual print
> driver that would definitely be an option.

I don't think you'd need a virtual print driver, at least not if you have a
PostScript-aware printer. After all, PostScript is what they do. (And
incidentally, the PostScript file is a text file too.) And generating the
PostScript from the stuff I posted is trivial, as I showed earlier.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
[I] Multimodality & Multimedia, was Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #287049 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 19:01
Stacie Hanes  
Torak wrote:
> Anastasia wrote:
>> Philippa Cowderoy wrote:
>>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Anastasia wrote:
>>>
>>>> The last is of special interest. Multimodal is the new buzzword
>>>> in writing programs, and it means, well,
>>>> text+pictures+sound+whatever you can get into the cohesive work.
>>>
>>> How does it differ from the older term multimedia?
>>
>> Excellent question.
>
> Unlike "multimedia", "multimodal" doesn't mean "random cheap website
> with irritating MIDI plonking in the background and so named
> because a random marketing exec has the IQ of a small, drunk
> cucumber".

Torak, I am borrowing that for my blog and for use at work.

--
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Re: [I] Multimodality & Multimedia, was Re: [I] VIsual & PerformingArts in SF & Fantasy [message #287057 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 19:08
Torak  
Anastasia wrote:
> Torak wrote:
>>Anastasia wrote:
>>>Philippa Cowderoy wrote:
>>>>On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Anastasia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The last is of special interest. Multimodal is the new buzzword
>>>>>in writing programs, and it means, well,
>>>>>text+pictures+sound+whatever you can get into the cohesive work.
>>>>
>>>>How does it differ from the older term multimedia?
>>>
>>>Excellent question.
>>
>>Unlike "multimedia", "multimodal" doesn't mean "random cheap website
>>with irritating MIDI plonking in the background and so named
>>because a random marketing exec has the IQ of a small, drunk
>>cucumber".
>
> Torak, I am borrowing that for my blog and for use at work.

Feel free!

::realises who he's talking to::

::mentally adds "-er than usual"::
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #287062 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 19:20
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
The time: 12 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: "Anastasia" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com>

> Philippa Cowderoy wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Anastasia wrote:
>>
>>> The last is of special interest. Multimodal is the new
>>> buzzword in writing programs, and it means, well,
>>> text+pictures+sound+whatever you can get into the
>>> cohesive work.
>>
>> How does it differ from the older term multimedia?
>
> Excellent question.

So far as I can make out from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimodal it's kinda the
opposite of multimedia. Multimedia is output; you get a
combination of pictures, text, moving pictures and sound.
Multimodal seems to be more to do with how you input
information. I think.

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #287063 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 19:20
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
The time: 12 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com>

> Anastasia wrote:
>> Philippa Cowderoy wrote:
>>>On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Anastasia wrote:
>>>
>>>>The last is of special interest. Multimodal is the new
>>>>buzzword in writing programs, and it means, well,
>>>>text+pictures+sound+whatever you can get into the
>>>>cohesive work.
>>>
>>>How does it differ from the older term multimedia?
>>
>> Excellent question.
>
> Unlike "multimedia", "multimodal" doesn't mean "random
> cheap website with irritating MIDI plonking in the
> background and so named because a random marketing exec has
> the IQ of a small, drunk cucumber".

....yet. Sooner or later *all* buzzwords mean that.

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
Re: [I] Multimodality & Multimedia, was Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #287075 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 20:07
Orjan Westin  
Anastasia wrote:
> Torak wrote:
>>
>> Unlike "multimedia", "multimodal" doesn't mean "random cheap website
>> with irritating MIDI plonking in the background and so named
>> because a random marketing exec has the IQ of a small, drunk
>> cucumber".
>
> Torak, I am borrowing that for my blog and for use at work.

If so, be prepared for pedants pointing out that Torak is betraying his
(lack of) age, as "multimedia" was a buzzword of the early nineties, and
had become a tired cliche from marketing departments well before the web
exploded.

I should know, I spent some years back then writing a multimedia (text,
images and annoying little "ding" sounds") distance learning application
for the Swedish Army Engineering Corps.

Orjan
--
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http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [I] Multimodality & Multimedia, was Re: [I] VIsual & PerformingArts in SF & Fantasy [message #287110 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 21:32
Torak  
Orjan Westin wrote:
> Anastasia wrote:
>>Torak wrote:
>>
>>>Unlike "multimedia", "multimodal" doesn't mean "random cheap website
>>>with irritating MIDI plonking in the background and so named
>>>because a random marketing exec has the IQ of a small, drunk
>>>cucumber".
>>
>>Torak, I am borrowing that for my blog and for use at work.
>
> If so, be prepared for pedants pointing out that Torak is betraying his
> (lack of) age, as "multimedia" was a buzzword of the early nineties, and
> had become a tired cliche from marketing departments well before the web
> exploded.

What's your point? The fact that it was a cliche before "multimedia"
websites became a cliche doesn't really have any bearing on my comment.
And I don't really think it needed such a snippy reply, either.
Re: [I] Multimodality & Multimedia, was Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #287118 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 21:52
Romeo  
Torak wrote:
> Orjan Westin wrote:
>> Anastasia wrote:
>>> Torak wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unlike "multimedia", "multimodal" doesn't mean "random cheap
>>>> website with irritating MIDI plonking in the background and so
>>>> named because a random marketing exec has the IQ of a small,
>>>> drunk cucumber".

From wikipedia:

" The advantage of multiple modalities is increased usability: the
weaknesses of one modality are offset by the strengths of another."

Looks like they're the same thing viewd from different sides. Multimedia is
receiver-side, and multi-modal (just guessing, the wiki article was about
computers) is more about the learning styles and communication strangths of
the transmitters: the individual expresses himself using whatever he can.

Romeo
--
Never avert your eyes - Kurosawa
Re: [I] Multimodality & Multimedia, was Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #287119 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 21:55
Stacie Hanes  
Torak wrote:
> Orjan Westin wrote:
>> Anastasia wrote:
>>> Torak wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unlike "multimedia", "multimodal" doesn't mean "random cheap
>>>> website with irritating MIDI plonking in the background and so
>>>> named because a random marketing exec has the IQ of a small,
>>>> drunk cucumber".
>>>
>>> Torak, I am borrowing that for my blog and for use at work.
>>
>> If so, be prepared for pedants pointing out that Torak is
>> betraying his (lack of) age, as "multimedia" was a buzzword of the
>> early nineties, and had become a tired cliche from marketing
>> departments well before the web exploded.

It's okay, they don't know Torak.

The difference is an interesting question,and I admit not having whole
answers. As a lit person, I sort of wandered into the raging debate over
composition curricula like an innocent kitten.

But Torak's comment was a funny thing that will get a couple of hallway
conversations started.
--
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Bondage-happy predator, Speaker-To-Students, SadoMangoist,
AFPMistress to peachy, 8'FED's AFPDeliciousSnack, AFPFiance to A.
Nevill , Graycat's Guttersnipe
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #287133 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 22:48
PleegWat  
In article <8fSdnWr9YopTABDZnZ2dnUVZ8qKdnZ2d [at] bt.com>, Richard Heathfield
says...
> Torak said:
>
> > Richard Heathfield wrote:
> >>
> >> http://www.cpax.org.uk/scratch/latexdemo.png
> >>
> >> Here is the text file I used to generate it (except that I've munged my
> >> email address):
> > <snip code>
> >
> > You know, that's rather impressive. I haven't a clue what the code
> > means, but if there's any way to output it with, say, a virtual print
> > driver that would definitely be an option.
>
> I don't think you'd need a virtual print driver, at least not if you have a
> PostScript-aware printer. After all, PostScript is what they do. (And
> incidentally, the PostScript file is a text file too.) And generating the
> PostScript from the stuff I posted is trivial, as I showed earlier.

Yeah, LaTeX is pretty powerful. I use it for my uni stuff. I think Torak
wants to make LaTeX source from a word document though, and I am not
quite sure that's that easy.
--
PleegWat
Remove caps to reply
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #287137 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 22:53
Stacie Hanes  
PleegWat wrote:

> Yeah, LaTeX is pretty powerful. I use it for my uni stuff. I think
> Torak wants to make LaTeX source from a word document though, and I
> am not quite sure that's that easy.

<mandatory Mistress Stacie joke>

There's a subthread for this, and I'm still hoping for input on the call for
papers.... :-)
--
4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse, AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons,
Bondage-happy predator, Speaker-To-Students, SadoMangoist,
AFPMistress to peachy, 8'FED's AFPDeliciousSnack, AFPFiance to A.
Nevill , Graycat's Guttersnipe
Re: [I] Document formats (was: VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy) [message #287147 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 23:06
raltbos  
"Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote:

> Torak wrote:
> >
> > The question is, of course, what to use if both PDF and DOC are out of
> > the equation. Not a problem for me, of course, because everyone I send
> > things to has either Word or OpenOffice, but for other people.

MS Project files, of course, with a complete disregard of whether the
people you send it to have anything that even comes close to being able
to parse them. What? Oh. Well, you could've fooled me, and that middle
manager who sent it.

> Text files.
>
> Minimal HTML if you need headers, tables and lists.
>
> RTF if you are dead set on having your layout (more or less) come
> through.

Provided you write it yourself, of course. Not to my very great
surprise, MS's own products are IME not always entirely compliant with
their own RTF standards. They read well-written RTF okay, though.

Personally, I have no problems with PDF if I'm just expected to read it.

Richard
Re: [I] Multimodality & Multimedia, was Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #287164 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 23:41
Orjan Westin  
Torak wrote:
> Orjan Westin wrote:
>> Anastasia wrote:
>>> Torak wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unlike "multimedia", "multimodal" doesn't mean "random cheap
>>>> website with irritating MIDI plonking in the background and so
>>>> named because a random marketing exec has the IQ of a small, drunk
>>>> cucumber".
>>>
>>> Torak, I am borrowing that for my blog and for use at work.
>>
>> If so, be prepared for pedants pointing out that Torak is betraying
>> his (lack of) age, as "multimedia" was a buzzword of the early
>> nineties, and had become a tired cliche from marketing departments
>> well before the web exploded.
>
> What's your point? The fact that it was a cliche before "multimedia"
> websites became a cliche doesn't really have any bearing on my
> comment.

I'm sorry, it just seemed a bit pointless to describe an old cliche in a
manner that made it appear as if that was the original cliche. I
misread you, for which I apologise.

> And I don't really think it needed such a snippy reply,
> either.

Again, my apologies. I tried for pedantry, but obviously I failed.
Probably taught me a valuable lesson, too, as pedantry is very rarely
amusing.

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #287175 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 00:19
raltbos  
Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

> Anastasia wrote:
> > Philippa Cowderoy wrote:
> >>On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Anastasia wrote:
> >>
> >>>The last is of special interest. Multimodal is the new buzzword in
> >>>writing programs, and it means, well, text+pictures+sound+whatever
> >>>you can get into the cohesive work.
> >>
> >>How does it differ from the older term multimedia?
> >
> > Excellent question.
>
> Unlike "multimedia", "multimodal" doesn't mean "random cheap website
> with irritating MIDI plonking in the background and so named because a
> random marketing exec has the IQ of a small, drunk cucumber".

Yet.

Richard
Re: [I] VIsual & Performing Arts in SF & Fantasy [message #287176 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 00:22
Orjan Westin  
Anastasia wrote:
> PleegWat wrote:
>
>> Yeah, LaTeX is pretty powerful. I use it for my uni stuff. I think
>> Torak wants to make LaTeX source from a word document though, and I
>> am not quite sure that's that easy.
>
> <mandatory Mistress Stacie joke>

I bet you couldn't get any latex into your navel, anyway, what with all
the fluff in there. :-)

> There's a subthread for this, and I'm still hoping for input on the
> call for papers.... :-)

Yes, sorry.

Something I've been thinking about a bit is possibly meta - how are
visual and performing arts portrayed in SF&F?

That is the other way around, not how V&PA portray SF&F.

Choreography for a ballet performed in weightlessness, or the dance of
dragons in the sunset sky and so forth.

And The Golden Key, by Rawn, Roberson, and Elliot. A brilliant fantasy
book about obsession, love, prejudice, and plots that would convince
Machiavelli he had not reason to put pen to paper after all.

And all given a counterpoint by the art of painting. Marvellous book -
read it!

So... Um... Yeah. That's my idea. A paper looking at how SF&F treats
V&PA.

Orjan
--
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